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All In Podcast Episode 165 Recap and Notes February 9 2024

February 9 2024



  • Friedberg is back
  • Apple Vision Pro
    • Better than MetaQuest Pro - no dizziness and disconnectedness apparently
    • Lots of image collection, data collection, etc can be done while you’re working
    • Enterprise applications - data is being ingested in real time
    • Workforce can be trained by the goggles in a way video can never do
    • Relate this to how young people are having bad outcomes because of technology and social media - might exacerbate it
    • When Apple comes into the race, its the starting gun for the space
    • Friedberg predicts they will get $100B in sales over the next 5 years
    • You can do all your work without people seeing your screen, etc
    • Jason thinks its an enterprise device
    • Chamath, Friedberg, etc have strict rules for their kids’ electronics
    • Can also go long SSRIs, etc with Apple
  • Meta vs Snap
    • Meta is rocking, Snap is rocked
    • Snap has voting imbalance and maybe that’s what’s hurting them
      • A different kind of investor will go to them because they have no say
    • Zuck has 60% voting control, Spiegel has 99%
    • Snap’s operating losses increased like a billion dollars
    • They generated $35M free cash and paid $1.3B in SBC
    • Meta cut headcount 22%, Snap cut 3%
    • Meta makes $70B free cash and paid $14B in SBC
    • Meta 3.2B DAU vs Snap’s 400M
    • Meta responded well to the Apple ad change
  • SaaS recession appears to be over
    • market is an escalator on the way up and an elevator on the way down
    • Software adoption is going up
  • VCs approach to AI investing
    • Founders Fund put money in OpenAI at ~$29B valuation, not much else
    • A16Z spraying everywhere - character.ai, replit, etc
    • Chamath conversation with Jonathan Ross was apparently interesting
    • 3 kinds of AI apps
      • Foundation Models - Open source, closed source
      • AI tools/infrastructure - vector databases, etc
      • Applications - copilots, AI apps, etc
        • Most SaaS like
    • OpenAI will likely win - like Google winning the whole market
    • Custom GPTs will help them even more - flywheel
    • OpenAI vs open models
    • YouTube is the best dataset in the world - Google has that lead - it might be ingesting 1-2PB per day and have like 1000s of PB already
      • It is multi modal
    • All other models will converge on same performance because they are trained on the same dataset
    • Facebook and Google realize their advantage and have made models free
    • Notion also allows you to query your workspace
  • Commercial Real Estate
    • US wide its a $20T asset class
    • $6T of that is debt
      • Owned 50% by Banks and Thrifts
    • Multi family housing situation could be worse
    • China has excess housing for 150M people

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