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All In Podcast Episode 114 Notes February 3 2023

February 3 2023



  • Last 2 shows got lower ratings 😛
  • Markets up
    • Fed raised rates slowly so market ripped

    • Added 517000 jobs, Jan jobs report is good

    • Wage growth data is good

    • Powell went from hawkish in December to more benign now - only 2 more 0.25% rate hikes coming

      • He said disinflation 11 times in his speech
    • He capitulated and markets knew this

    • Markets are off to the races in the short term

    • End of last year people were tax loss harvesting - lot of stocks

    • Tesla effectively doubled in the last small bit of time

    • This is similar to end of 2018, start of 2019

    • Next 30-90 days, seems trade is to go up

    • Maybe whipsaw economy here

    • Risk of inflation is higher but recession maybe lower

    • Hard to predict future

    • Odds of soft landing this year are quite a bit better

    • Are people finally taking jobs and going to work having burnt through their savings (trillion in savings lost apparently)?

    • US needs to have 5-6% jobless rate for 2-3 years to get inflation down to 2-3% - Larry Summers

      • That’s not what we have now
    • There is marginal risk of whipsaw effect because maybe we haven’t got control of inflation just yet

    • Some companies want to go public now

    • Most of the market are not people - they’re computers and ETFs

    • So there is a reinforced buying loop and reinforced selling loop

    • Yield Curve might be a good predictor - we might get long term 3.5% stable cost of money in a few years - prediction market thinks Fed is done raising rates because inflation might be under control



    • Never going back to bubble of 2021 - 3.5% is still a great deal for mortgage

    • Read The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham - if you can get more than 2 times risk free rate, you should invest in the company - right PE for SP500 is 14, right now its 22 so we’re over valued

    • Need to start to learn a new regime here

    • Chamath’s team did some analysis - 100 most valuable public tech cos - market cap is circle, grey bars for recessions, see if there is a correlation between value of companies and what the interest rate is at the time - result: if you were founded during a period of austerity you grew super high, plus big tech changes (PC revolution in 70s) or internet (90s) - atoms and bits together



    • Lot of bad habits learned in the last 15 years from 2008 by VCs and founders

    • Meta went up so much

    • FedEx is also laying off

    • Middle managers getting laid off - emphasize doers

    • Problem in these companies is everyone wants to be a manager

    • Star ICs become managers to advance in their career

    • Over 50% of Twitter engg department had not coded in a long time when Elon went in

    • Ambitious people want to be managers and managers don’t do the work

    • Zuck said you don’t want a management structure of managers managing managers..managing people who do all the work



    • The more metaverse mentioned, the more stock dropped

    • Facebook is supposed to be an ex-growth company now - reached peak size and has to generate cash flow

    • This could be a great stock to own now - they already announced a $40B stock buyback

    • By 2025 Apple will have exceeded $1T of cash distributions

      • Including buybacks and dividends
    • Facebook could also chunk out 100s of Billions of dollars soon

  • Tom Loverro tweet on mass extinction event coming for startups in 2023 2024
    • 4 in 5 startups have less than a year of runway left
    • Mark Suster says the same - 5000 seed, A B companies funded recently - ~50% to go out of business soon
    • Dotcom bubble also 2001-2005 50% mortality rate
    • This cohort of companies is over burdened with feature orientation
    • They were under pressure to show earnings - so if it was easy for them to make money they were basically features not platforms
    • Companies are basically under water
    • VCs will recalibrate GPs
    • 20 people in our industry have made > $1B more than once
      • Everyone is extremely commercial in their background or operating experience
        • Banks, etc
      • Non engineers/product managers
      • VP of product/engineers were standard VC people - they haven’t made any money according to PitchBook
      • Pat Grady seems to be the best
        • Danny Reimer, Bill Gurley
    • Maybe lot of dry power that’s waiting on the sidelines will go into tidal wave of AI companies
    • Chamath uses a team of technical experts to get consulting before they do a deal - the technos don’t do investment decisions
    • Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook combined raised less than a quarter billion dollars before going public - all were profitable when they went public
    • GFC of startups will be bad
    • 2003-2004 was a rough time - next 2 years will be rough for a lot of companies
    • Tech ecosystem is different from overall economy
  • Adani and Hindenburg Report
    • Stock has cratered in the last 5 days
    • Role of short seller research analysts
    • Contrast with FTX where no one was doing diligence
    • Adani
      • Ports
      • Mining companies
      • Green energy
      • Sprawling empire
    • Similar to Batista in Brazil
    • Lot of inter-related inter-party transactions
    • Similar to Nikola where Trevor Milton got arrested and Hindenburg report came out
    • Is this a good thing?
    • Elon had to keep batting back these guys in 2015-2016-2017
    • Short sellers should be there - but you should also be held accountable the way insiders are also held accountable
    • Their returns should be put in escrow
    • In developing countries there is a grey line between enterpreneurs and governments - they are doing the work of the government - he is building ports and roads, etc - so its a reasonable claim that its an attack on India
    • SEC Rule 13f-2 is saying that people should be required to disclose their short positions
    • TeslaQ was an example of people lying in public - real public cost to insiders - employees or investors who got spooked, Elon under pressure
    • Carson Block being investigated for some related work in this area

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