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All In Podcast Episode 98 Notes September 30 2022

Sep 30 2022



  • Haircut talk
  • Big tech cuts
    • Meta cutting people

    • Apple stopping iPhone production

    • Google also reducing head count potentially

    • Companies are acknowledging that growth is tapering

    • Have to run companies efficiently

    • Apple, Google, MSFT, Facebook are US market equivalent of US treasuries

    • Best 4 businesses - so if they are doing this, its a warning to everyone else

    • 2001-2003 was super deflationary in Silicon Valley

    • Starting in 2004, people called it Web 2.0 after that - more rational story of growth, around that time Google started offering crazy benefits, free gym, free food, everyone copied it, and lot of money

    • So to compete everyone else had to do the same

    • Now we are seeing recession hit, leading indicators of what is in the valley - compensation, benefits, value share

    • End of an era and a new world for tech and silicon valley

    • Nobody is safe - startups and big tech are not immune from layoffs - there will be a hard landing in 2023 - predicted by Stan Druckenmiller

    • Even Hollywood, no one is buying anything, last year Shonda Rhimes and GoT people got like $300M deals

    • Now Netflix stock has been hammered, etc

    • Faucet has been turned off, not just a trickle, but its off

    • Frothy environment was pervasive, was not just crypto, etc - but growth stocks too, Netflix got lot of money and so it flowed down to the writers, etc

    • This could be good for startups - coz now they don’t have to compete like crazy with FAANG - those people will not have 4 job offers, but no job offers or laid off

    • Whoever makes it out of this as a startup - talent consolidates into the best startups and they grow out of this very well - incredible opportunity for startups

    • 2023 should be exciting setup for startups

    • Now Chamath is predicting that markets are bottoming and consolidating - so there are signals that now is the time to rip the money in

      • Today’s price is really everything we already know
    • Going forward things will be constructive

    • Big Tech put will come out of the market - you will get real price discovery in the market for such a marginal engineer or business person instead of losing them to big tech as part of a blocker strategy

    • All irrational behavior is exiting the system

    • Chamath is bullish - we are nearer the lows than the highs

    • First thing to go in a bad environment like now is

    • Investments that one makes in this period are the ones that will be the best - will have asymmetric upside - 2002-2004, 2008-2009 (Atlassian, Whatsapp, Uber, Airbnb, etc)

    • 2023/2024 startups will be the best

    • Fortunes are made in the down market, they are collected in the up market

    • Nowadays silicon valley is disrupting other industries by making them technology led - they are not selling technology to each other anymore

    • Distribution opportunity also has emerged at the same time - working remote, etc so its not necessarily Silicon Valley

    • Wages are lower therefore and office cost is less, and can access far more talent

    • Software-wise this is an amazing time

    • Life sciences - real estate is more expensive than ever in the Bay Area - lab space is a certain kind of build out, so its hard to just buy up space - this industry is well funded and competitive

    • World War 1 happened because people got worried about Franz Ferdinand and Balkan states unnecessarily

      • Similar to now focus on Roomba which seems unnecessary
    • Druckenmiller - universally respected - said Fed was crazy in 2021 - was waving alarm bells - now true - wheels are coming off - Dow Jones is same today that it was a decade ago - long term stock market does go up, but we could have a flat decade - this has happened multiple times

    • Stock market tends to 9-12 months ahead of where we are

    • While Trump passed lot of stimulus, it was bipartisan passed during Covid

    • Now in Biden admin they continued to pass stimulus post covid and vaccine - Druckenmiller might be Republican too

    • Months to S&P Bottom is fast and early in # months of hike cycle



    • Every time we trade down, market bottoms quickly - Stan is probably right - something will break in 2023 - in equity and financial markets we are consolidating to the bottom

    • Rich folks are doing tax loss harvesting right now

    • Unemployment will get to awkward and uncomfortable number - 5-6%

    • ARM mortgage people are in trouble

    • UK 40% of mortgage are in ARMs that will go up 3-4% in January

    • People are going to have to go to work

  • Global Debt numbers
    • $300T is total debt in the world (govts, businesses, households)
    • In response to inflation, response to fiscal stimulus, now if we raise rates by 5% - this is $15T of annual debt service, 18% of global GDP
    • So there’s a massive squeeze that’s going to happen
    • But on the other side - you will have 100 year government bonds
    • When rates were near 0 - Janet Yellen put a stop to it - Trump said lets do 100 year 0 interest bonds and she said no
    • Liz Truss ran into trouble with same problem - and so pound hit a new low
    • Markets preferred financial stability to financial viability
    • BoE will raise rates 140bps (almost double Fed)
    • Governments will keep getting bailed out
    • ARM maturing will lead to less spending
    • When that happens, Fed will intervene
    • Bleeding edge of smart financial actors are being conservative - and then Fed will intervene when say Apple will have to fire people
    • Fed is incompetent - they said inflation was transitory but they PRed the news of inflation print
    • All politicians want to deny bad news - Jerome Powell is the only Trump official that got re-appointed by Biden by a huge margin - because he got on board the talking point of transitory inflation - he was 100% political
    • Paul Volcker was told offline by Ronald Reagan to not raise rates too back in the day - so Fed is political
    • Fed has bad information - they can’t have the excuse today of not knowing what the latest information is - Manhattan project for understanding the economy
    • Brad Gerstner said FOMC meeting forecast raising rates - out of the blue - they don’t let the markets know what is going to happen
    • Fed is actually supposed to be gold standard of transparency
    • World Bank excoriated Canada for lack of transparency
    • 2 original sins of economic crisis we are in
      • Lockdowns
        • Overreacted to lockdowns through money printing and monetary policy
      • Then we continued QE - long tail event became the mean
    • There are still kids in school in California that are wearing masks - people take new normal as permanent
    • ZIRP (Zero interest rate policy) was too long
    • If you have irrational central bankers that will always bail people out - central government policy doesn’t matter
    • Unintended consequences of ZIRP - people don’t participate in labor
    • Boomers have $71T in assets - US boomers
      • An entire turn of global GDP
      • 76.4M people control this
      • Rich = US boomers
      • 1/7th of world’s assets is controlled by 76M people
      • At woodstock, best times, most of peace dividend - they are the ones that control everything
        • Its less Gates, Bezos, Musk but its boomers
      • Each boomer is worth $1M each
  • RIP Coolio
    • Friedberg is a big fan
    • If statins don’t work for you
      • PCSK9 inhibitor - effectively a gene therapy - modelled after Nordic people - who are immune to heart disease - can inject once in 6 months
      • After you’re 45 years old, get a heartflow and angiogram - get your calcium score
    • Gwyneth Paltrow loves All In and Huberman Lab podcast
  • Russia/Ukraine update
    • Can’t know when markets will bottom out if you don’t know when war will end
    • People think war is escalating
      • Zelensky wants Ukraine in NATO
      • Putin wants annexation of Ukraine territory
      • Polish exec says US might have helped blow up a Russian pipeline
    • How will we get a peace deal - if you remove offramp it means escalation
    • Poker players cant predict exactly what cards opponents have - you can predict a range and see track record and then figure out what might happen
    • See Putin’s track record
    • US is blessed with being safest and secure country in the world’s history
      • Have giant moats
      • Monroe doctrine prevented ocean control
      • Only 1 vulnerability - ICBMs - and poking in the face the 1 opponent who can hurt us in that
      • Its like achilles pointing at his foot
    • Keep disregarding the threat to us by assuming he is bluffing
    • What is the vital threat to us that we are interested in this so much?
    • Turning donbass region into world war
    • JP Morgan put out a report saying that sum of portfolio of tail risks right now outweighs opportunities in the market
    • If any of these issues get resolved, markets can just take off
    • Chamath thinks markets are ring-fencing Russia - Ukraine risk in terms of currency stability, energy stability - Europe energy reserves are going to be meaningful - they will spend whatever it takes
    • Markets react to second and third order economic impacts of humanitarian issues
    • Nuke will be atrocity - but market will not react so badly now because it has already priced in
    • Worried about fat tail risk
    • What if China sees this situation and if Russia loses badly then US hawks will target China next
    • Then they could enter Russia side to not lose an ally
    • In Chechen war when Russia was losing Grozhny, they just levelled it to the ground
    • So even if valuations are close to correction, but we don’t know what earnings and profits will happen in 2023
    • Markets typically bottom in first 3rd of a correction process
    • Market might not drop 1000 points
    • Rate of rotation of Chamath’s closet is indicative of IPO markets 🙂

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