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All In Podcast Episode 92 Notes August 20 2022

August 20 2022



  • Friedberg is moderating!!!!
    • Dave Friedberg
    • Chamath Palihapitiya
    • Sacks
    • JCal
    • Rationale for what’s going on with the podcast
      • Differing points of view
      • Last couple of weeks have been a struggle
  • Adam Neumann is back
    • $350M from A16z
    • Flow - residential apartments
    • 3000 apartment unites in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Atlanta, Nashville
    • People are wondering why he’s able to raise funding
    • His track record is great
    • He started Greendesk
    • WeWork is the strongest brand in co-working space in
    • He put $300M of his own money to buy these apartments
    • Bet could be good
    • Sacks - Craft doesn’t do non-software investments
    • Stuff in physical world with atoms is 10x harder than to do with bits
    • Most startups fail and Most founders are good - so together = many repeat founders
    • WeWork is just REIT - Adam was able to pitch a non-tech REIT as a tech company
    • WeWork is now a $3.6B public company
    • He was pitching people that didn’t want to hear about REIT
    • It seems he’s starting another REIT, except residential this time
    • He has again found a technology investor to buy a non-tech company as a potential tech company
    • REITs are very structured - most valuable REIT in the world is Prologis - $100B company, 1B sqft under management
    • The only mistake Softbank made was a velocity of money mistake - should have done 10 years instead of 5
    • a16z is also in the same boat except without the same quantum of money
    • a16z wants to become Blackstone for technology - $35B
    • Blackstone is $100B - credit, Private equity and real estate
    • a16z is trying to build a public ownable security using technology
    • They want to become a credible reliable institution to absorb 100s of billions of dollars
    • Landlords care about high quality tenants - want to cover their bear market
    • WeWork was highly levered to a boom cycle - arbitrage goes away in troubled times
    • Flow is different - they’re going to create a brand for apartment living around the country
    • Can he extract more rent and less vacancy from apartment units with financial decision?
    • FFO = Funds from operations
    • Its a positive for a16z - they’re being bold - their business model works by taking as much Oxygen as possible from the room - so always keep raising funds - like Blackstone, Carlisle, etc
    • a16z wins
      • Adam Neumann chose them
      • 1 check to deploy $350M
    • Biggest predictors of success in startup = second time founder - first round capital did survey a few years ago
    • This might be ultimate case of that
  • Housing Policy - Bay area, Houston, Miami differences
    • Andreesen wrote essay during pandemic - “Build” - to build housing
    • And last week wrote complaint to city of Atherton against multi-family housing, complaining about prices
    • CA housing is a mess - tenant rights movements have gone so far that landlords cannot evict anyone - crazy taxes - 6% transfer tax - they took 6% of Sacks’s home
    • Atherton example is zoning - you are buying a house in that neighborhood and investing in character of the neighborhood - so understandable that residents would be against that - builders can’t just come in and buy SFH and convert to apartments
    • Look at areas around public transit like BART etc - and build up in that neighborhood
    • What if someone built a skyscraper in the farm they buy next to you if you’re a farm owner?
    • Venice and SF people are also able to object
    • CA needs to build 3.5M by 2025 - focusing on a town with 7k people is not the place to fix it
    • Atherton has bad flood infrastructure - there are no sidewalks, you just walk on the road - residents of that town wanted that lifestyle
    • Just south of that - Menlo Park or Palo Alto - they could absorb it - but what if they also object?
    • But now there is a state mandated objective for each town and zipcode and city to build more housing
    • Millions of homes can only be absorbed in cities - SF has infrastructure to absorb it - they have sidewalks, stop lights
    • Hypocrisy here is that its not for multi-story housing, its townhomes which will be $3M - most probably tech company CTOs
    • Redwood City is awesome now - they built 10s of thousands units - and downtown there is awesome now
    • WFH - 30-40 mins of commute + = quality of life suffers
    • People are buying apartments for their nannies, etc
    • Atherton can pay for the houses to be built in Millbrae, etc
    • NYC is less sentimental about their buildings and are able to scale up and be dynamic
    • Houston and Miami are doing better
    • Houston has no zoning - hospital, school, etc
    • This problem is worse in democratic states and cities - they want to gerrymander school districts - they want to protect tax dollars, to send to their public schools - zip code oriented scheme
  • China, Saudi Arabia, Russia increase relations - should US be worried?
    • Xi Jinping went to Saudi Arabia - a month after Biden’s strained visit - his first visit in 2 years is to Saudi Arabia

    • After 6 years of negotiations, China will yuan for Saudi oil - this might hurt US dollar on global economic stage

    • China and Russia are doing military stuff in Russia



    • Saudi Aramco has most profitable quarter - more than Tesla, Meta, Apple, MSFT combined

    • Saudis are buying shares in Alphabet, Zoom, MSFT - $600B in US equities - US is dependent on Saudi funding

    • Is the future a China, Russia, Saudi axis?

    • Biden in his 1st year pushed Saudi Arabia into China’s arms

      • He called them a pariah
    • He lowered US energy production and ruined relations with Saudi, etc

    • Better to be friend with them than to not have them as a friend

    • Deal with the regime that they have instead of complaining about it - we don’t know regime change will work in US favor

    • Basically declared US to be in proxy war with Russia - its dangerous for US even if you feel sorry for Ukraine

    • Ukraine war could escalate out of control and poses huge global risk - John Mearsheimer just wrote another article

    • This is opposite of Divide and Rule - China and Russia have not been friends traditionally - they are neighbors who have issues typically - and now US is uniting its enemies

    • Every country in the world should monetize their natural resources as much as they can

      • And diversify by leveraging sovereign wealth funds
    • We should collaborate with frenemy countries

    • PhD student in Leeds went to jail in Saudi Arabia on vacation because she retweeted people

  • Inflation Reduction Act
    • Climate change improvements might be good
    • This bill gets rid of Carbon Tax basically
    • This will put everything on a level playing field and let the market play it out
    • CBO says we will increase deficit by $330B next 5 years and decrease $320B next 5 years
    • 87000 IRS agents are being hired
    • Companies making more than $1B revenue will give
    • IRS got $80B
    • Imagine how much you could get from just a machine learning and AI startup to solve this tax exception problem - such a grift
    • Bill Gates is doing a good job of investing in climate friendly companies
    • Can increase national security
    • Lots of Climate Tech funds
      • JCal has his own syndicate also in this area
      • Others are into energy, materials, food, industrial manufacturing
    • Lot of startups’ unit economic models are good now - they will become profitable
    • Chamath and Elon get audited every year
      • Chamath employs a big4 accounting firm
    • Ultra wealthy people can’t evade taxes - there is a lot of infrastructure there
    • These IRS agents will come to us middle class and upper middle class folks
    • Prescription drug price cap hurt pharmaceutical companies’ profits
      • So companies are estimating that 2 fewer new drugs will come out every ear
  • Real Clear Investigations
    • Same group that raided Mar a Lago - led Trump Russia investigation - discredited, people went to jail from that - same people
    • Christopher Rae instructed this unit to not take warrants from the FISA court
    • How can this not create a conflict of interest or appearance of impropriety?
    • We will move past Trump as a country but we should not create dangerous precedents that DOJ and FBI might be politicized

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